Limbaugh is hurting Republicans with criticism of Obama

Yes!! And please bless those little boys in the Dominican Republic....They can't walk upright after his visits there.

Wonder if this type of comment was what Rush was talking about when he said he wanted Pres. Obama to fail in his policies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrA9zj94NuU

Out of the mouth of babes comes truth.

Thus the bill proposed.

The biggest angst against Rush has been his quote of being against Pres. Obama and the use of the phrase " He wants him to fail" and leaving out why he wants him to fail in.

This hasn't hurt Republicans at all as they do not base their policy on what he says.

Proof in point, If they followed his thoughts why did the republicans fail to get re-voted in? They didn't follow anything he said.

The only spoof to this tape I sent you to, was the part of the communism for dummies.

If you'd like, I will send you to the real full length news video, with this Liberals actual view, with no Spoof inserted, and it makes those comments by Maxine Waters, who liberals keep voting in, sound even worse.

It wasn't a goof. If you watch the entire real news video, she goes on to say government should own the oil companies. Is that a goof, when you say it in a different way. Heres the entire news video. You could see the others on the panel, sit back and say, Crap!! She said it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbLTXss10s

Will re-post the link as it seems to have a problem.

You still didn't say, if they didn't follow him Why did they fail?

You can call me a poor soul all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the entire feeling of Republicans follow Rush is false. You need to show where his advise was followed, then you could say they failed because of him.

Does smaller government, no government intervention and less government spending, not appeal to you?

Substitute the word "Damn" for "Bless".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ

@greg-709692

great link. Get ready for high gas prices. Apparently some of us would rather ship our hard earned dollars to the sand box instead of pumping it into our own country. More drilling here, equals more stable supply, more tax revenue, and more American jobs.

Wish everybody could figure it out. Social programs, like this bill does, don't create, just enable.

With liberals, engendering government dependency never ends.

greg-709692

Thank you for the link. Classic Gore-bots trying to convince Americans that Mr. Limbaugh is somehow not an American. There is a knob or set of buttons on your radio, just use it and your world will be pleasant. Uniformed but pleasant. You aren't able to make me listen to the rhetoric of the current administration or the gore-bot congress the same as I"m unable to make you (gore-bots/demo-libs) listen to the voice of reason. For damn sure the gore-bot's agenda will not include anyone with a mind of their own. The demo-libs find it easier to try and "push" the mindless. Case in point, they got nearly 67 million folks to waste their vote on wishful change and empty promises. Tad bit of bitter reality for you gore-bots.

PanhandleMike There is a knob or set of buttons on your radio, just use it and your world will be pleasant.

There's a gun in my hand, should I just use it to make the airways more pleasant? A joke is a joke and satire is satire. But prejudice and bigotry and hate hidden behind tongue-in-cheek, shock-jock entertainment is not a joke. I never cared for Don Rickles but he insults everyone in every way. He does not single out a nationality or group. And his stye is obviously humor. If we have to be told that it is humor or entertainment then it is not. If a large part of the population finds it insulting while another large parts finds it funny, it is meant to be hurtful.

mule,

It's un-American not to like Don Rickles. I guess you're more of the "Ellen" type of humorist. I can't let this part go, but why or how would you use a gun to "make the airways more pleasant", shoot your radio? Now that's make all the gore-bot sense in the world. Blast away bro, it sound like entertainment isn't your cup of tea anyway. Might want to use a silencer unless you live in the country.

Glenn Beck is more aggressive than Rush. Rush is in the past.

As much as I believe Rush is a bag of crap Unless there is proof that he is a pedophile let us not get carried away.

DR Your comment was totally uncalled for.

Just like Studs, I agree. As was yours claiming Bush demolished the world trade centers and the one claiming Rush is a bag of crap. Aren't we all little stinkers?

Uh DR I didnt claim Bush demolished the trade centers. I'm more realistic than that. And yes I think Rush is full of crap. I would say that to his face.

I don't care that much for what you say, however you do need to watch how you say things. That remark should have been reported but I don't believe anyone cares what you say any more because you say very little with fruit.

Gee, jaywow, thanks for the fatherly advice. When the clowns of the left act out, it is ok, I guess because it is expected. So when a retaliatory retort is made, it is just shameful. I get it.

Just because you would say it to his face doesn't make your remark respectable or decent.

If it wasn't you that in a seed about 6 weeks ago made some comment about Bush being responsible for bringing down the world trade centers, then that is my error and I apologize.

Rush and Michael Jackson seem to have quite a bit in common

They're both white?

No, capitalist, he supports it when it work for him, but he is against it when the marketing data says he is loosing market share. It must be those evil democrats and the fairness doctrine. In all reality, it his his ratings going down the tubes.

Studiusbogus, you want to call Rush a pedophile, but then want some special protection for yourself when I say you want to give a leg up to those same little boys? Hypocrite.

Wish everybody could figure it out. Social programs, like this bill does, don't create, just enable.

Sounds like the Bush Era, enableling their buddies.

Tit for Tat at our expense?

Stimulating!!

Let's face it, the phrase "fiscal stimulus package" sounds pretty dirty.

So let's call it the Dorkulus bill rather than the Porkulus bill.

Isn't Rush Limbaugh the covicted drug abuser who tried to hide his drug abuse 1st behind his housekeeper and then 2nd under someone elses name?

Obama also snorted coke through college, so this "drug user" attacks people use against Rush are silly. We can bash Rush but not Obama then? Double standards? Hes not in office! Hes a talk radio host! Also I don't get why so many anti Rush fans make such a big deal about him. If they don't like listening to him... DON'T LISTEN. How many idiots out there are Democrats and spout out dumb @!$%# on a daily basis? Does that mean all Democrats think like that? No. So why does everyone like to paint the picture that because "Rush says it... it must be what all Republicans think". That is ignorant! All this negative media attention on Rush only makes him that more famous.

Obama outed himself, wasn't charged, didn't have a housekeeper to blame it on and did persecute and ridicule everyone who was addicted when he was doing what he said others shouldn't do. It is his blaming everyone else and not taking responsibility for his nefarious behavior.

If Rush had been broke and black he would still be in prision. Instead he is rich and white, can afford the best treatment facilities, doctors and lawyers - so he doesn't do any time. It appears to me that Neo-Con Republican's are against fair judges, lawyers and blind justice.

Notice - I know alot of moderate republicans who are for blind justice as are moderate democrates. Fear the far right and far left. They don't represent what is great for the US.

Obama also snorted coke through college, so this "drug user" attacks people use against Rush are silly.

What's silly is you ditto heads trying to pretend Rush Limbaugh isn't the biggest hypocrite in the world....and, btw, pointing this out doesn't make liberals hypocrites. WE already knew people are fallible -we never pretended to be morally perfect like conservatives .

It's great hanging conservs with their own words and it's so easy. ALWAYS their defense is them claiming your a hypocrite for pointing out they are hypocrites.

See, the difference is that OIbama has integrity and admitted his foibles and quit whereas Limbaugh still pretends to be superior (ROTFLMAO!!!)..eh hem , excuse me, while he continues to down pharmeceuticals. NOT only that, but your hero Rush then went to the ACLU to defend him.

He should hang just like he said.

"Rush says it... it must be what all Republicans think". That is ignorant!

The problem here is...Republicans DO parrot nearly everything he says...and it IS ignorant. So you're at least right on the ignorant part.

the difference between Rush and Obama is that Rush said on his show "Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."

I don't really care that he did drugs; it's the fact that he's such a hypocrite that bothers me.

Did Obama try and hide his use of drugs? Unlike you who is trying to excuse a 50+ year old dope addict by comparing him and his addiction to the recreational use of drugs by a college student?

Did Obama have other people buy drugs for him?

Did Obama get fake prescriptions made out in other peoples names?

You really need to learn to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges and face the fact that you are excusing behavior of Rush Limbaugh, behavior that you would probably condemn if it was anyone else.

But because you and other members of the Republican Party think that somehow he is helping advance your party ideas you blindly choose to overlook. But despite all the conservative talk show bashers and smashers like Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, all of Fox News and especially Rush Limbaugh the American People elected the Democratic candidate for President

This recent election proved that, and there can be no clearer indication of the rejection by the American people of the Republican Party as well as their ideas. It only further emphasizes that the people rejected Republican leadership and ideas that have for the last 8 years proved to be such a disaster for the economy of this country if not the world.

The vast majority of Republicans in office and out do listen to Rush.They give his rantings clout, they follow his lead which could be because they have nothing to offer, or have as yet come up with any of their own ideas. This is what is truly scary and ignorant..

Simplistic Reality

"Obama also snorted coke through college, so this "drug user" attacks people use against Rush are silly. We can bash Rush but not Obama then? Double standards? Hes not in office!"

Ok, so let's talk about your other hero that WAS in office....GW Bush not only was a coke head, he got busted for it, daddy hushed it up, and when the military decided to take random drug tests....he walked away from the military.

Obama doesn't even come close to the screw-up Bush is.

Studiusbagus

I never said Bush was my hero. I think he was a dumbass as well and also an embarassment to the Republican Party.

Obama doesn't even come close to the screw-up Bush is.

Only time will tell on that one. Lets hope not.

I wish that McCain would have won the primary back in 2000.

I do as well.

Did Obama try and hide his use of drugs? Unlike you who is trying to excuse a 50+ year old dope addict by comparing him and his addiction to the recreational use of drugs by a college student?

No obviously he didn't try and hide it. Thats actually refreshing. I'm not trying to excuse anyone for breaking the law and doing hardcore drugs. I'm just saying if everyone can jump on Rush about doing drugs, then why can't we do so to an elected official? Just being devils advocate here.

This is what bugs me about the right. The fact that they profess to be the REAL patriots in America, and want only the good things for us. Yet their chief windbag can publicly state that he wants the elected president of the US to FAIL and no on is up in arms on the Repub side. I don't know much and I certainly was no fan of Dubya but I never wanted him to fail, I thought he would on several fronts, and he didn't disappoint but to actively hope that a president will make things worse sounds like a desire to see the US go down the tubes. Real Patriot, he would like to see the US go up in flames just to prove how "right" he is.

No rational person wants to see the other side make things worse, you hope that things at least stay the same until your side can get into power and "fix" them your way. To hope for anything else is to put personal revenge above the good of the country and about the least patriotic way one can be.

Yet their chief windbag can publicly state that he wants the elected president of the US to FAIL and no on is up in arms on the Repub side

That is false so lets just clear this up. That is taking a sound bite and cutting it in half. This is what Rush said.

Rush stated that he hopes Obama is successful in strengthening the economy and making the country better. He then said, if Obama's intentions are to turn America into a socialist country, then I hope he fails (fails at turning us into a social country, THATS IT !)

He said he hopes Obama is successful, but if Obama's intentions are to turn America into a socialist country he then hopes he will fail.

I hope that clears that matter up.

No obviously he didn't try and hide it. Thats actually refreshing. I'm not trying to excuse anyone for breaking the law and doing hardcore drugs. I'm just saying if everyone can jump on Rush about doing drugs, then why can't we do so to an elected official? Just being devils advocate here.

The reason people can jump on Limbaugh is because he himself made an issue of drug users and what the consequences should be for them.Then excludes himself from those consequences with ridiculous excuses for why he takeds drugs.

Obama hasn't been a judgemental hypocritical a$$.

The reason people can jump on Limbaugh is because he himself made an issue of drug users and what the consequences should be for them.Then excludes himself from those consequences with ridiculous excuses for why he takeds drugs.

That is hypocritical and I agree. The only valid excuse for taking drugs would be those who smoke pot for legitimate medical purposes. The rest is just rubbish.

Well, well, well, aren't drug users victims? Shouldn't we all be coddling Rush?

You know, I see a lot of you lefties still whining over the statement that Rush made about that he hopes Obama fails. How many of you have actually made the effort to go and find what he was really talking about? Or is that a bit difficult because you have your sound bite and actually listeneing to what he was referring to would only cause you to reverse course?

Rush, when he made the comment about Obama failing, was referring to his policies and his socialistic tendencies. Will you be going after any one that actually has the audacity to vote against Obama? Voting against him is the equivalent as stating you want his programs to cease and dissist, or fail.

All of you want to bash Rush because of his drug use, or becasue of his "Magic Negro" parody, because you feel he is intollerant and preaches hate. Look at the posting in this thread, you have lefties that want him dead, others that refer to him as a pedofile (which in this instance is supposed to be the moderator, how pathetic) without anything other than speculation dueto him carryin Viagra back from an all male getaway, and the list goes on. I know that Rush is harsh on some groups, but he never preaches the kind of hatred that I hear coming from the left, especially from the little pissants that I see posting in here.

You liberals are pathetic!!! The Republican party is what it is and we have our weaklings in it, we call them moderates, that disagree with Rush. But the fact remains that there are many, many of us that agree with him and will never cowtow to your demands that silence Rush because he hurt your poor little feelings.

Get some Kleenex, clean yourselves up, and grow the hell up!

I have a lot of friends who are moderate Republicans. Many of them are good people but the far right neocons remind me of a cult. I have been a registered Independent for several decades.

And just FYI Mr. Radmacher, if you want to use the term "neocons" please use it properly. Neocons are not the far right conservatives, they are the moderates. This term was coined back in 1973 and was referring to Liberals that were disillusioned in the party and moved to the right. And we in the Republican party do not need supporters like yourself. I cant speak for everyone else but I would rather see the Republican part go by the wayside than to ever have it embrace liberalism as viable solution.

Complete supporter of Rush Limbaugh!

the difference between obama and rush is one is a publicly elected official and one is an entertainer. cons are always blasting the hollywood/liberal connection yet they worship at the feet of a talk-show host!

the irony lies in he fact that rush spews all this supposed informed political information but in reality he's nothing more than an actor trying to make $$$. he's a TALK SHOW HOST! no different than oprah, donahue, springer, ellen, etc.

the only reason he makes these comments (akin to leno and letterman's daily monologues) is to increase his rating share for the markets he's in. it has nothing to do with authentic news reporting, concern for the nation, etc., he's merely an actor with a daily gig on the radio.

if he was truly political and passionate about playing a role in making the nation a better place he would have gotten into public service years ago. he's just like stern and opie/anthony - just a radio jock looking to make his sponsors $$$ and renew his contract year to year.

"pay the man behind the curtain no attention," as another actor once said. the day i start listening to and believing anything an actor has to say is the day I'll choose an actor that is a lot cooler than rush to listen to.

he's even got the whole drug addiction/abuse/rehab thing going too. Maybe there's a hollywood award show in his future! or a star on the walk of fame!

How many idiots out there are Republicans and spout out dumb @!$%# on a daily basis? Does that mean all Republicans think like that? YUP

Jarhead

Get your head out of that jar fast. It's cutting off the air to your brain.

You liberals are pathetic!!! The Republican party is what it is and we have our weaklings in it, we call them moderates, that disagree with Rush. But the fact remains that there are many, many of us that agree with him and will never cowtow to your demands that silence Rush because he hurt your poor little feelings.

Mookdookie -

The please explain why Oprah Winfry was paraded back and forth for Obama? Why so many Hollywood types were courted for Obama? Why the Left is so beholden to the Hollywood types?

Face it, whether you like it or not, or whether the actor that will not listen to Rush likes it or not, they are pertinent because they have a stage to spew their beliefs. Whether it is Rush, or any others that you may or may not agree with.

Why is it that when the Hollywood crowd makes a movie like "Rendition" and refers to it as a very important piece of cinema that others see it as brave of them to make a movie like that? It is a movie that gives America a black eye based on its content. Or Fahrenheit 9/11 by Mr. Moore, that it actually won somewhere in the neighborhood of 26 awards and was supposed to be a "documentary" even though it was discovered that there were editing issues, and aprticipants suing him becasue of false representations. But none of these people were held up to the same scrutiny as Rush Limbaugh for his statement about Obama failing.

Face it libs, you are just bent about someone fighting back and not rolling over and taking it from you any longer. Your in power, you have the White House, you have the Senate, you have the House of Representatives, what more do you want? Does a paunchy middle aged white guy that needs viagra really pose that much of a threat to you that you have to create a whole "Crush Rush"campaign? Your house of cards is beginning to crumble and your "stimulus" package is the undoing of it.

George W. Bush is gone, Rush is still here. Couldn't find any other boogy man to fear?

Oh no! I have been met with disapproval by a liberal! Maybe I should move towards the middle and try to be more agreeable! Become more "progressive"

NAH! I prefer being right!

You know, I see a lot of you lefties still whining over the statement that Rush made about that he hopes Obama fails. How many of you have actually made the effort to go and find what he was really talking about?

Answer: None. They don't want to know the truth. I stated what he said in #3.13. Apparently its more fun to just go on half a sound bite that fits there agenda.

How many idiots out there are Republicans and spout out dumb @!$%# on a daily basis? Does that mean all Republicans think like that? YUP

Wrong.

"jarhead" (presuming you're a military person, no?)

like i said, Rush is an entertainer, plain and simple. i could care less what celebrities endorse what political party or what Americans are stupid enough to think that movies are an unbais presentation of facts. Fahrenheit 9/11 has about as much "truth" as Rush's radio show. Its all entertaiment, that all. if you think that Rush really cares about the topics he waxes poetically on, or is seriously concerned about the fate of the nation or its citizens then you are just as foolish as the next victim of the mutlinational entertainment conglomerates production.

Simplistic,

You are exactly right, they dont want the truth becasue if they actually cared about it they would have it, it is quite easy to find. It is easier to go with a sound bite, a blurb, an accusation, an inuendo.

Journalism is dead! Speculation has killed it!

Mookdookie,

When I referenced those movies at no time did I care about what you believed. What I was referencing was that there is a double standard in this country when it comes to entertainers and radio talk show hosts. Entertainers can run their pie holes all they want and say whatever they feel with no expectations of ramifications, take the Dixie Hicks for example. Rush Limbaugh makes statements and the left is calling for his proverbial head on a platter.

And yes, I do believe Rush. I disagree with him on some topics, but I do believe him. And because you, or any other liberal tell me that I am a fool for believing him does not make me stop. If that were the case I would have stopped going to church a long time ago because the libs told me there was no god. (And before you say it, I am not comparing Rush to God. I am making the comparison of things I was told to not believe by lefties).

just as foolish as the next victim of the mutlinational entertainment conglomerates production.

You sound like Tom Tuttle From Tacoma Washington in the movie Volunteers!

And yes, I am a member of the American Empire Militaristic Complex. A military person? I'm a friggin' Marine! ( "a military person?" that sounds so cutesy and politically correct)

How many idiots out there are Republicans and spout out dumb @!$%# on a daily basis? Does that mean all Republicans think like that? YUP

You are such an intelligent person. It amazes me each time I see one of your posts. The lack of respect you show for people and the hypocrisy of your words is fitting...

Het AV I only changed some of the words in your sentence then added my own reference to it.

I have little respect for hypocritical republicans so my words are fitting.

You don't have to like them and you may respond anyway you want because I always feel the same way about your posts as you seem to do mine. To bad, so sad, ho hum.

there is nothing wrong with smoking herb for recreation, even if your government says you can't. I would never look to any government and it's laws for what is right in my life, especially not a government that has screwed up this badly. Slavery use to be legal but I hope i would never support such brutal evil, whether it was legal or not. I think you need to look at the rationality behind anything your government says, and if it doesn't coincide with your personal morality then practice civil disobedience. The fact is the government is never always right and very often it is terribly wrong. that doesn't mean that I am not extremely active in trying to change the laws that i feel are wrong. but, I'm not waiting for reason and logic to prevail in a society that expects its leaders to bow before "God."

It has nothing to do with that. At the end of the day, the way Rush and all the rest make money is being a pitch man. The problem for all of them is that no one is buying so their revenue sucks.

What is making it worse is the fact that none of the "conservative" talk show crowd is court, promoting, more so running down into the dirt, the businesses and products people want, like green energy, better transportation means etc.

So the some big decissions are coming because at the end of the day, it is the audience that pays the bills. If Rush truly wanted to survive, he would promote a solar panel company or something simular, but he will not. so he will fall by the wayside.

uncleandy -

If all those things that you mentioned were actually things that people wanted, Rush could not stop them from being sold if he proclaimed them Anti-americn himself. Fact is tree-tards want to jam these products down our throat because they are good for the planet.

Bad news for you, Rush just signed a new agreement for eight years for $400,000,000 dollars. Amazing huh? Apparently not prescribing to the hug a tree save a whale lifestyle is just destroying him! If it helps, his Gulfstream G550 jet is fuel efficient. NAH! Just kidding, that sucks up tons of fuel also! From what I understand he burns liberals in his fireplace to stay warm over winter. (mental note: gotta find a fireplace like that)

There are millions of them Many right here on the vine with us praticing censorship and keeping alive repoclubs of the true beleivers ready to march for palin or any other cause they are called to...

Get this quote from a long article leading a republican love fest and cirlce tug I found yesterday...

"No for me the tears came much later that inauguration day as I watched President Bush and his family flying off into the horizon en route back to Texas. I was overwhelmed with conflicting emotions---pride, disappointment, and sudden loss. I hadn’t sobbed like that at a DC event since I watched the memorial services for President Reagan. I did not realize the depth of my emotional attachment to our 43rd President but there it was."

Hey to each there own for sure. But.... Doesn't a statement like this enable us to take stock of what kind of mind is in tears over Bush leaving office at that point?. You are past the 80% who outright hated him and past the ones who are disapointed right into the few who really really love the complete and absolute failure of George Bush and his presidency.

I'm not saying we have to hang Bush but dang....

So there is the answe rto the who or if people listen to and follow Rush. Oh hell yeah they do. He is more powerful then any republican in congress right now. Republicans crawl to him and lick his boots the spineless worms they are.

And Rush in that seat of power is wrong and dangerous to us as a country.

I wish evry Rush supporter would google these two searches...

1) Rush Limbaugh drug addict

2) Rush Limbaugh sex tourist

Go ahead Republicans, do it, and if you can still support Rush well then bless ya for that I geuss. But if you come away with a taste of vomit in your throat then maybe as a Republican you should raise your voice and tell Rush and the Republican congress that no!!! NO! you do not want that man to have any influence over your party and its politics...

Or keep quiet about it, stay in line, don't reason for yourself and say baaaa.

Rush isn't an elected official or running for any political office so why do people care so much about him or what he says? Like I said.. if you don't like listening to him.. DON'T. He isn't the spokesman for the GOP. He is just telling his opinion on things like it or not style. That is what freedom of speech is right? You might not agree, but then again.. that is what makes America so great. Everyone needs to get off his ass. Who cares.

ftmackinc -

I googled them and I found much speculation. Please provide the web pages that will show me hard evidence of these accusations. As for the viagra, and the doctor shopping due to the prescription pill addiction; well viagra is used by millions of men,and some women from what I have heard, and is hardly a reason for a conviction becasue he went to the Dominican Republic. If there were any evidence of his utilzing the sex trades in the country that the left would not have found it by now?

Rush Limbaugh is a private citizen, he is very outspoken for his dislike of democrats, but when the Federal Govt. begins to turn their sights on a private citizen because they do not like what he has to say or how he is saying it, that should worry every one of us. Regardless of who it is, we all have the freedom of speech, whether you like what is being said or not.

You know, just as a side note, I dont remember anyone telling George Clooney to be quiet when he was making fun of Charlton Hestons Alzheimers. When Clooney was asked about his comments He stated

"I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the National Rifle Association; he deserves whatever anyone says about him." George Clooney referring to Charlton Heston and the Alzheimers comment.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/entertainment/1931445/detail.html

The left still embraces him no matter how insensitive his statements were. He is a private citizen though isnt he, we cant silence that now can we? Well Obama is the head of the Democratic Party, I guess he deserves whatever is said about him doesnt he?

Jar,

First let me say I am not a leftie and to Clooney I don't want to get involved, go ahead and hang him if he has done wrong, blagovich, shoot that bastid use my gun. I grew up between Nixon and Daley, I think both sides have a lot to feel shame for and much that can not be defended. Politicians, screw em all.

But no doubt... Obama is a hell of a politician and more important, our president, right now he is what we have and on that, like I did bush, I think get behind and help the man or shut the hell up. It is how I tend. But not kool aid. that isn't fair so don't.

The Rnc, the Republican party can try but they can not deny Osama is free and laughing at this mess, thousands and thousands are dead, trillions spent and we are in two wars and the economy? well dang I really don't even have to say anything there do I? There are riots beginning world wide. We are in extreme danger...EXTREME DANGER.

Now to Rush....

pardon me, I won't bother to paste links, I can't do the neat word/link thing so it gets messy, but everything is open and out in the news so what I say is at the least a reasonable interpretation of the events.

Rush is a huge drug addict and if you can read the stories of his little trips abroad and come away saying that you see nothing there to question I have to suggest that you love Rush with blinders on. If it was anyone else the right would have a heart attack over it. For goodness sake look what we did to the Dixie chicks. To defend Rush and his faults personally is just you being you. To do it in the name of “conservatism” or the Republican party or the right in general is an immense hypocrisy.

Now consider that a Republican congressman who openly challenged Rush was made to come on his show and lick his boots. What does that say about his power? That is why I don't take well the idea of he is just a Radio Jock, ignore him.

Frankly I think ignoring Rush is as dangerous as ignoring Joe McCarthy was.

So to trying to deflect to Charlie or George, nope not the same.

To being able to swallow rationalizations for Rush and his drugs and travels well to each his own.

But...

As to accepting Rush and his influence on politics and how he can command the spineless and ignorant republican congress to do his bidding. As to Rush and his ability to command and excite the "base" of the Republican Party....

Well my friend I am a republican and I say no.

I say I am an American first and in this time of such extreme danger the Republican Party must come to terms with its failures. It must put Limbaugh in his place. It must get behind solutions and stop the obstructionist attempts to block the president and confuse the public.

I myself, a Reagan Republican, stand with Obama. I believe in his asking for America to stop being Blue and Red. I believe he represents a much better America then is being touted and harangued by Rush for his own selfish interests to the detriment of all Americans and that the Republican Party by tolerating it and openly allowing it is verging on, is playing in, a pool so deep and dark, well… I hesitate to say “treason” but at the least it shows a base ignorance and a denial of reality.

That’s what I think anyway. I may be wrong. It is bound to happen someday and today may be that day for all I know.

I myself, a Reagan Republican, stand with Obama. I believe in his asking for America to stop being Blue and Red. I believe he represents a much better America then is being touted and harangued by Rush for his own selfish interests to the detriment of all

This made me laugh. If you truly believe this then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you. Reagan Republican my eye! You are a democrat in disguise as evidenced by your long diatribe signifying nothing. Obama is as far left as you can go. He is blatantly trying to sell us a rotten bill of goods as evidenced by his running around the country trying to drum up support for this loser of a stimulus package. This spending spree is nothing but a thank you gift to all his democrat buddies who got him into power. I suggest sir, that you look through the stimulus bill carefully.

Let's start with healthcare. Do you care about your parents or grandparents? Well, if you study this bill, you will find on around page 442 a proposition that creates another government bureaucracy and not only creates a national database full of your medical records but would allow the federal government to tell your doctor that he or she can't treat you because you are old and expendable. Don't believe me, check it out.

Welcome to Socialized Medicine! And by the way, no one is reporting on this but guess who? That's right Rush Limbaugh. Hmmm, why would the mainstream media not be reporting this???? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Now I listen to the show only for the purpose of making a list of local sponsors that I intend to boycott. Any local business that chooses to advertise during his show will not be getting my business.

I do the same with liberal-hate outlets like MSNBC.

The Olbermann network needs to learn tolerating hate-speech will not pay.

Perhaps since G.E. is getting a huge chunk of bailout money, Olbermann and co. will take a decrease in pay. Afterall, if all the CEO's of all the banks and companies we are bailing out with our hard earned tax dollars have to have a cap on their salaries, why not Olbermann????

They are all voting for the fairness doctrine.

For someone who is irrelevant he sure gets a lot of attention from liberals. Threatened much?

Who said he's irrealivent? Many on the GOP extreme right wing don't think so. Besides Rush is like a stopped up pimple or pus filled boil. Irritating, gross, disguting and ugly, but hardly threatening.

Someone who isn't a threat would never get this much time and energy devoted to their discreditation, unless you're saying that your fellow leftists are just plain stupid.

I'd really like to now, who takes him at his word?

Most of us who listen to Rush, know how to read between the lines, on anything he says.

So whose stupid.

We have sense enough to look farther into the comment than the comment itself.

Notice how the conversation gets extreme and personal.

Must be a liberal thing.

Wonder if everyone took Air America comments to heart, and agreed totally with those hateful (and they did say exactly what they meant) people.

Someone who isn't a threat would never get this much time and energy devoted to their discreditation, unless you're saying that your fellow leftists are just plain stupid.

Your "logic" doesn't make any sense. Having fun poking sticks into this fat slob of a moron does not translate into being threatened. It translates into being entertained.

While that may be your purpose here on the vine, I doubt that's the writer's only motivation.

I disagree. From reading her article it looks like she's having a blast poking sticks into the fat porker. I know I enjoyed reading it.

Greg -

Wonder if everyone took Air America comments to heart, and agreed totally with those hateful (and they did say exactly what they meant) people.

Both people that heard Air America understood exactly what the "hosts" were talking about. and agreed totally. Their ratings went down faster thatn a $5 dollar hooker with a fist full of hundreds!

Jarhead in WI;

Thats for sure.

Seems to have been a thought processing problem.

Just agree with everything.

I don't agree with everything I here on Rush but do agree with somethings. Rush is definitely not the end all for Conservatives.

For someone who is irrelevant he sure gets a lot of attention from liberals.

Threatened much?

Limbaugh is the sunlight the lib-prog vampires hate.

"Most of us who listen to Rush, know how to read between the lines, on anything he says"

Then why are so many Republican lawmakers deathly afraid to offend him and french kiss his ass?

Republican Law Makers are not afraid to offend him. They have already read between the lines. Rush has criticized Republicans, maybe not as much as Democrats, but has criticised even John McCain for not being conservative enough and critized him big on the immigration policies he had.

Grimley or whatever his name is bent right over , kissed his ass and begged for forgiveness.....

Most of us who listen to Rush, know how to read between the lines, on anything he says

You could have ended that sentence at "read ".

True, But.

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Those

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who

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can't

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need more

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extended

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explanations.

Studiusbagus;

One person does not make the whole.

Studiousbagus;

Now that wasn't nice at all.

If you took what I said personally, I don't get it.

Never singled you at all.

If offended, I apologise.

F

U

Wonderful VIOLATION OF #1 and #5 of the Code of Honor.

If offended, I apologise.

The victims of a personal attack now apologizes?

Wrong.

Individuals that behave like Studiusbagus need to be removed from the vine for blatant violations of basic civil behavior.

How long are we supposed to accept the double-standard of acceptable behavior?

Greg, your apology is accepted, and you know you directed that humiliating comment to me, so your confusion is puzzling. Thanks, and sorry I struck back, it was uncalled for.

Now Archon Prime,

Let's please compare suspensions, complaints, collapses and we can see who should really be tossed off Newsvine shall we? My violations, and complaints are not even a fraction of yours so let's belly up to the bar and see who's got more.

Sometimes we all get carried away.

Overusing the bold text format should be a violation of the CoH.

Mr. Snyder,

The President of the USA should not waste his time whining about Rush even when he gets under his skin.

It's not Presidential.

Hey Det, was it Presidential for Bush to make that video where he pretended to be searching for WMD in the White House during the bloodiest part of the Iraq war when our soldiers were dying? Was it Presidential for him to stay on vacation as New Orleans flooded?

I bet you just giggled and didn't criticize Bush once for either event. You probably have some sort of pat excuse for it, too.

The man can have congressmen crawl to him for forgiveness, that is not something I think any of us can afford to ignore. I really wish we could. But I believe we can't.

Rush shmung is comic relief for many on the other hand those that follow his schmung thinking it is worthy of interjecting into plans for our country they are the problem. They are the ones I cannot make sense of.It is truly bewildering.

He might even be capable of turning a young neocon into a domestic terrorist.

Yea whatever.

That is entirely possible! Most definately, a domestic terrorist. That is what conservatives do, we create terrorism. We are "fear mongers".

My God! Last time I heard this much BS was when ol' Bessie got into the Metamucil!

That is entirely possible! Most definately, a domestic terrorist. That is what conservatives do, we create terrorism. We are "fear mongers".

Wrong and Stupid.

PSSST! Simplistic, I was using that stuff they call "sarcasm".

My apologies, I probably did not lay it on heavy enough.

My bad!

Sometimes its hard to tell. Sorry. lol.

No worries.

Jarhead, no one "fears" Rush, we are "repulsed" by him. Big difference...let's keep things in their proper perspective.

YEAH! What Devils Mercenary said!

Hard to top that.

Sorry........but in a week. I will have gained......not listening to him for the past six days.

He might even be capable of turning a young neocon into a domestic terrorist.

I'll bet the Koran inspires a young "progressive" to become a domestic terrorist first...hey look, Johnny "Taliban" Walker Lindh and his two-daddies says I win!

Wait does little Adam Gadahnn says I doubled my winnings!

And so?

You scared us so bad. Now no one will post here. ☺

Omnipotent or is it impotent Rush has this whole column, Crap!!!!

Ditto heads are a cult. Let's just hope their fearless leader leads them right off a cliff like most cult leaders do. From what can see they fit the description to a T.

Wow! Anyone who dare speak about Limbaugh should be sued? How very American of you.

Hey craig19, clip this and send it to him, I would just die if I was left out...

Rush Limabaugh is a large turd in the American Punch bowl....

(you may all feel free to steal this line, ty ty)

On ftmackinc's comment

Joe Radmacher:

Are you going to reprimand him like you reprimanded waynester?

Sounds like a personal attack to me.

I guess, as long as you call the subject of the discussion stupid,ignorant or a large turd, thats OK.

Got it.

Will not worry about it again.

dear greg....

na na nahhh na nahh :)

dear ftmackinc;

LOL !!!! LOL !!! LOL !!! You forgot "good bye"

Didn't characterize anyone as generally ignorant. I merely pointed out his ignorance on a particular point of knowledge. You can stop slandering my name any time now, JR.

An adult conversation makes the debate more interesting and challenging.

Craig 19...are you kidding..."ohh i told daddy about what you said and you're going to get it when you get home!" rush could care less about what we say here, including your opinion.

if you think he's going to divest his $$$ from his kiddie and druggie funds to pay his lawyer to sue an internet poster you've GOT to move into the 21st century. c'mon even the RIAA gave up on suing downloaders...

Got news for you Craig, Rush Bimbo is a public personality. Can make all the comments we want about him and he's stuck with they, lawyers or not.

Look the laws up son.

Good call! Humor I like it! *LOL*

Craig 19, I'm happy you did that, you know what Rush will do?? Absofreakin' Nothing!! The publicity of him trying to shut down a thread that suspects he is a sex tourist or pedophile would cast more suspicion on him than you can imagine! So, please!! Bring it on!

Craig,

I would welcome seeing Rush sue someone since the discovery would require much of what he tries to hide coming to light. After all, he'd have to be under oath and show what he was doing in the Dominican Republic and be open about his drug use.

The loser would be him.

Rush doesn't want every bit of America to become Nationalized. He hopes that Obama fails at taking America in that direction. Me too! That's just a no brainer to me.

Find me a similar quote from Limbaugh whining about Bush nationalizing our banks and I might believe you're a "centrist".

Your ignorance is showing. Rush critcised the heck out of the TARP bill, on numerous occasions. You didn't hear of it because it doesn't serve the leftists agenda.

D, don't you mean UNDEFINABLE hypocrisy, examples, sources?

And if by nationalisation you mean making the same basic changes to the way we approach issues like heath care, corporate regulation and social spending that have been tested and adopted in virtually every civilized country EXCEPT the US then nationalise away. Or we can continue on down this 19th century path to a two class society that we are on now.

Your ignorance is showing. Rush critcised the heck out of the TARP bill, on numerous occasions. You didn't hear of it because it doesn't serve the leftists agenda.

I never claimed to listen to Rush. I didn't notice a link in your post, though. If you can't even find evidence to support your claims, that hardly makes me ignorant. And by the way, the point of my post wasn't about Rush criticizing bailouts...it was about him criticizing nationalization when it suited his purpose. Please find me a quote where Limabugh criticized, specifically, George W. Bush and the nationalization of our banks. Just criticizing the TARP bill doesn't cut it.

Still no links, Waynester? How disappointing.

Just criticizing the TARP bill doesn't cut it.

Again, more ignorance. TARP is the bank bailout bill and it has been the basis for the criticism over "nationalization" of the banks. I don't have time to source every little thing you don't believe. Suffice it to say Rush was very critical, specifically of the preamble to the bill, which seems to confer absolute power onto the Secretary of the Treasury to ensure Americans economic well-being.:

RUSH: I think this is worth pointing out, ladies and gentlemen, reminding people: that is my observation of the TARP law as written. As far as I know, I am the only one who made anyone aware of what the Democrat Congress authorized in legislation authorizing TARP. Let me just read it to you once again. "Section 1. Short Title. 'Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.' Section 2. Purposes. Provides authority to the Treasury Secretary to restore liquidity and stability to the US financial system and to ensure the economic well-being of Americans." That was the law. That's the bailout law. That Section 2, Purposes, says the Treasury secretary has the authority. He is a czar, he is a dictator --

TARP is the bank bailout bill and it has been the basis for the criticism over "nationalization" of the banks. I don't have time to source every little thing you don't believe. Suffice it to say Rush was very critical, specifically of the preamble to the bill, which seems to confer absolute power onto the Secretary of the Treasury to ensure Americans economic well-being.:

So why is he only critical of the president and "nationalization" when a Democrat is in office? I still see no evidence that Limbaugh has criticized the stimulus bill and the TARP bill equally. In both instances, he placed the blame squarely on Democrats...only now, he decides to include the President in his vitriol, while he ignored Bush in the earlier bill. NOW he cries about nationalization, where he completely ignored the fact that we nationalized our banks with a similarly expensive bailout under Bush. Rather hypocritical, no?

Why can't a warning be accepted for what it is instead of turning it into an argument of what a COH violation might be. This takes things off topic, causes unnecessary escalation, and wastes time and space. Debate the topic not the COH.

In both instances, he placed the blame squarely on Democrats...only now, he decides to include the President in his vitriol, while he ignored Bush in the earlier bill.

Quite true. I listen to his show 3-4 times a week during my lunch break and I never heard him bash Bush a single time for wanting the TARP bill. It was all the fault of the Democrats who wrote the bill and passed it, not the fault of the president who signed it into law. If a Republican president wants something and the Democratic Congress gives it to him, the Democrats are to blame. Makes sense to me.

Waynester:

Its that fairness doctrine again.

Oh Wait !!

Only fair if its liberal views.

So why is he only critical of the president and "nationalization" when a Democrat is in office? I still see no evidence that Limbaugh has criticized the stimulus bill and the TARP bill equally.

Actually the quote is from before the inauguration. He doesn't "bash Bush" because he and Bush are friends. He's a commentator, not a journalist. Would that some of you liberals demanded such evenhandedness from the Obama media.

Time to send tyler a message to moderate?

waynester

"He's a commentator, not a journalist."

Actually Rush is neither. He's an entertainer. His job is to produce revenue for the corporation that broadcasts his show. That's it. He might, along with others, that he's a political icon, or a newscaster in the vein of FOX, but in reality he's there to sell products to a particular demographic.

Let's be honest here and recognize the reality of the situation here.

If Waynester persists in making comments that are not relevant to the seed it is harassement as well as it appears Waynster is trying to be intimidating. I'd go ahead and contact Tyler if it were me, it won't be Waynster's first nor probably would it be his last ban.

CoH

1. Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks. If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation

b. Harassment and/or intimidation of others on Newsvine will not be tolerated, and patterns of such behavior may result in account cancelation.

If Waynester persists in making comments that are not relevant to the seed

Like what?

What are you smoking, anyway and where can I get some?

Just be sure you're right.

You would deduct the 15k from your income, not from your tax bill. So, if you made $50,000, with a family of 4, you would benefit greatly. You would be able to take a $15000 deduction from your AGI. So, if your AGI was $35,000, you would deduct $15,000. That would mean you would reduce end up saving $1,500 bucks. Unless they pass it as a refundable tax credit. If they do that, you will reduce it from your taxes owed. That would mean if you owed $1,000 at the end of the year, you would instead receive a $14,000 refund.

Wow Reagan! Bet you did not see that coming!

I think I will hold off making that call.

Woosterwoman -

walks on water? how shallow they are?

That is funny!

I'll try. It was a response to a personal attack on one of my family members, Rush Limbaugh.

Your mercy is appreciated.

Well, your mercy was less than I'd hoped for since you deleted my comment and left the personal attack that started it. Oh well. Justice interrupted.

Yes we have to wonder if Rush is compensating for some lack of preformance in another area

Like we used to say "he that smelt it, dealt it."

Rush is my family. I've adopted him. Is it ok if we attack family members?

In Illinois we have a thing called common law adoption. You don't get papers, it just happens. He's been in my family long enough that he's considered one of us. You believe me, don't you?

Wrong again, eh?

I love how anyone the left disagrees with is "unamerican." Whatis "unamerican" is to not allow free speech and free thought and disagreement. To blatantly misrepresent one's thoughts and opinions. Why is the left so afraid of letting everyone speak their mind? Remind anyone of anything cough *Stalin* cough.

Freespeech doesn't count uness it is liberal free speech.

That's right AV. It's our turn to call repubs unamerican just like they did everytime a Dem disagreed with the GW/Cheney.

Isn't turnabout fair play, even with you rightwingers?

Republicans didn't come up with the Fairness Doctrine, only narrow minded liberals.

Jay, you don't even realize... I'm praying for you, brother.

AV

Son I realize a lot more than you do. Which is totally apparent.

Thank you for your prayers, I do reciprocate all the time.

Check, Since the fairness doctrine is around you might "check your facts". And, maybe it's needed. The Republican propaganda machine spews so much trash and lies that something needs to be done to reign them in so all the uneducated republicans won't be taken in. +_+

Pacific Northwest Blogger -

Examples:
- Operation Chaos: encourage riots at the Democratic convention
- Switch parties to vote for the person you want to defeat
- Wish that the President fails at helping America

Juyst a quick note here.

Operation Chaos encouraging riots at the DNC is a falsehood. Operation Chaos merely was supporting Hilary Clinton to mess with the Democrats nomination process. If you are concerned about riots at conventions please refer tothe link below. I am certain you will somehow be able to tell me how the "anarchists" that are extremely well organized (not sure how that happened) are prooting "disruption" of the RNC. I just dont believe they are talking about stealing all the foam fingers or the painting "Palin" on all the elephants.

http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/5584

Switching parties to help defeat the person you dislike has been going on since voting has began, hence the laws in some states that forbid it. But on a bright note, Ohio laws did not, so on with the show! The difference between what Rush did and what Acorn did is Rush had the guts to come out and say that is what he wanted vs. lying about it like some that were elected President of the United States in 2008, but I won't name names becasue that would not be right.

Wishing that the President fails at helping America? He never stated that he hopes Obama fails to help America, he stated that he hopes Obama fails, as do I. I hope any socialist fails, or any socialist policy for that matter, Rush stated that he hopes Obama's socialist policies fail.

O.K. sorry about the disruption please go back to what you saying.

jaywow67,

So are you saying that we should get rid of the pesky First Ammendment? Actually reign in someones free speech because you disagree with it? Regardless of what the Republicans spew, are you actually asking for the First Ammendment to be disregarded?

Please say yes, I would love to actually hear a liberal for once say what they actually want to do.

Jar

In the case of neoconish republicans you bet cha, dog gone it, dag nab it anyways. Everyone else has free reign. Don't cha know.

jaywow67-

See that was the first step to recovery, admitting your sickness.

And as a side, neocons are moderate republicans not "extreme right wingers" as I am sure you think Rush is. Term was first used in 1973 to refer to Liberals that moved to the right becasue they were tired of the Lefties in the Democratic party, dont cha know? So instead of calling people like myself neocons, of which I am not, I prefer right wing extremists or whack jobs. If it sets me apart from you lefties, I am all for it! O.K.? Thanks

Quick to respond with harsh critique, feeling guilty?

I find it interesting that you jump on my statement and apply the term liberal and start exaggerating my reference to reflect 1st amendment issues, free speech and even suggest I reference that Republican's are unAmerican.

I referenced Limbaugh listeners, not Republican's. There's still hope for Republican's in general. They just need to oust their leadership and get back to focusing on limited government and fiscal responsibility - none of which Republican's have shown since the Eisenhower era.

I do think many people listen to Limbaugh for what he is, an entertainer, a talk show host who specializes in controversy. Then again, there are many people who listen Howard Stearn.

No where did I say I Limbaugh can't speak, I merely suggested a future dictionary reference.

It amazes me how people come down on others when they disagree with a viewpoint then use bully tactics to try and textually shout down opinion. Be thankful we all have free speech and the right to express our opinions...

Pacific Northwest Blogger,

The statements about the First Ammendment were directed toward jaywow67, which kind of explains the name in the upper left corner of the comment. Kind of like when I put your name in the upper left corner of the comment directed towards you.

I will however applaud your statement about Republicans needing to get back to limited govt. and fiscal conservancy. You knocked that one out of the park. I fully agree with you about that statement.

Mr. Radmacher -

I do not mean to be disrespectful here but I am sorry, I do use the term liberal like it a cuss word because I find many of the beliefs that come from the left as repugnant as what I curse about stepping in.

I have made the mistake of listening to Air America and the attaks that come flowing forth make Rush Limbaugh look like a spitballer in a cannon fight.

Obama does sound intelligent, no doubt about it, but can he do it for three hours every day? Ah, ah, no teleprompters, no speech writers, just Obama. He can have a show prep team just like Rush, but I do truly doubt that his perceived intelligence may drop a bit. Heck, we will even let him have a call screener. Please understand that by no means to I mean to infer taht he is an idiot simply becasue I disagree with him, to do that would only make me look like an intollerant jacka$$.

As for the humility, I dont listen to him because of humility, I listen to him because I enjoy what he has to say and how he says it. But I will beg to differ that his humility is not present, it is, but it is shrouded by his self engrandizing sarcasm. Much like the late great George Carlin, what he had to say was very sarcastic, but often made sense. You just had to listen to him long enough to get the whole picture, not just until he said something that offended you and then change the channel and label him as many have.

Listening to Rush is a acquired taste, it is not for everyone. I do not like brussel sprouts, I find them bitter and nasty, but I do not berate those that do becasue they find something good in them.

Jar, I find many of the things the conservatives say totally repugnant. The lies, half-truths simply put are totally unintelligent.

Any group that lies like the republicans do need controls. Now, I'm not saying that Dems haven't. So they also need controls. Since neither one will take care of it themselves they need regulated, that hated word.

jaywow67,

I disagree about the regulations limiting speech, but I will agree to the fact that we can find persons on both sides that we feel lie about certain items. And that is something that I feel does need to be addressed, responsibility in reporting. I believe that Rush Limbaugh is not a reporter, what his show consists of are his viewpoints. But withthat being said, if he presents something that is out and out a lie he should be called on it and it should be penalized.

Jar

Anytime have watched him he says he is reporting. Now, I have not watched much of him because to me he belongs in Belview.

I believe any "public airways show" should be called for truth-baiting. That goes for MSNBC to Fox. If found to be irresponsible then fine them, heavily.

jaywow,

We will agree to disagree about Rush, but I will agree on the irresponsible broadcasting. And the panel to consist of a multitude of representatives from across the spectrum.

Mr. Radmacher,

I appreciate your honesty about George H.W. Bush, and I agree that he is very under rated and unfortunately all people seem to remember is "read my lips ..." However, your statement regarding Rush, Anne, et. al, is rather one sided. I find personalitites like Keith Olberman, Jon Stewart, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Al Franken(before he went into politics), to be incredibly grating. The problem I find with you is that you want teh Republicans to find a spokesperson that does not get on peoples nerves, even though these are not spokespersons for the Republican party. They are Republicans that are just very outspoken.

The personalities that I referenced, do they speek for all of Lefty Nation? Of course not, but so many in Lefty Nation label Rush as our Guiding light and spokesperson when all Rush is is a radio talk show host that certainly seems to get under Lefties skin. The spokesperson for the RNC is Michael Steele (see we have minorites in the RNC, I know what some of you were thinking).

So please, when you reference Rush, I am not asking anyone to like him or dislike him, but please understand that the Republicans spokesperson is Michael Steele, not Rush Limbaugh or any of the others you Lefties detest. Rush does not answer to the RNC, and the RNC does not answer to Rush. Regardless of what many may think.

I beg to disagree. Try Keith Olbermann and the rest of the sham news reporters at the Messiah News Network dedicated to worshipping Obama 24/7.

Hey Check, you might try doing your name. Keith is a truth machine compared to all the neocon commentators such as Rush Bimbo, Bill the Clown, Sean HanNutly. You can @!$%# about him all you want but he gives facts with his rants.

Really? Really? You're kidding right?! The guy is a joke along with most of the NBC commentators (not respectable enough to be called reporters.) Here's a whole website devoted to his buffoonery and sham reporting. http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2009/01/olbermanns_late_2.php

Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. are radio personalities, not reporters. They shouldn't be held to the same standard. Olbermann is supposedly a "journalist." That means that he should have professional ethics and standards. He is a joke of a reporter and should be judged as such, problem is, some people think he's credible.

Check using a rwr site to back up your facts is like asking Cheney to prove you are a republican.

You're funny.

jaywow67,

please give us the site that you use to check your facts so that we be as enlightened as you are? I try to go to www.MoveOn.org every now and then just to check my facts or another good one is www.mediamatters.org because those are the ones that I hear all the time on MSNBC as sources for info.

Thank goodness I did not stumble onto some biased website for info, huh?

Jar if I have a fact that needs checking I will give the site. I didn't fine a site that checked your facts on your statements and you didn't read the statement above yours very well and how I phrased it.

If you, meaning you, use a site for fact checking you might try using one that is obviously not extremely bias. Use half-bias ones at least.

I believe even the Marines teach you to use the best weapon for the job at hand. Correct? Facts, young man, are a weapon. Use them to convince or to refute and to do that your facts need to be strong.

Got It?

jaywow67,

Gosh golly gee, I will write this down so that I am able to remember it for always, and I will tell all my Marine buddies about the swell piece of advice I got from a Democrat.. Dont patronize me.

You stated that Keith Olberman gave facts with his rants, while I have heard coming from Keith Olberman using MoveOn.org and MediaMatters.org as sources for his information. Two extremely biased web sites. Now what kind of an idiot would use extremely biased web sites, huh? I asked that you supply us with a site that you would use to check your facts, I never asked you to back anything up, I simply asked for your source of references. All I wanted to know was if you wanted to check a fact what kind of site would you go to? All I wanted was an example, not a lecture.

But hey thanks for the info on how to use facts. Coming from a Democrat I will take your advice and, well, ignore it.

Got it?

Jar there you go again. I'm not patronizing you, I was pointing out some things I believe in. Pointing it out to you is a habit I've developed in being in the Army for 32 years. Knowing Marines have to have an extra jolt, I tried to make it plain. :) Just harassing you a little.

Now as to Keith, he often uses the news magazines, net work news shows, politico, Huffington, and others.

I often use Politifact, Factcheck, recently CBS and NASDAQ.com. Unless I'm really trying to get someones "goat" I try always to use reliable sources.

O.K. Now that is more like it. Knowing Marines you should aslo know we can be a bit "stubborn" and "beliggerant". With 32 years in the Army simple should be easy for you.

And I will agree that reliable unbiased sources are needed when your credibility is on the line.

The issue that I have with Olberman, and many others in the media is not that I disagree with their opinions, that is a moot point. What irks me is that they attempt to report something that they see as "fact" when it is plainly biased. There is a different between opinionated commentators, of which I believe Rush and Keith are, and journalists. And to be honest I believe journalism has gone by the wayside in the name of being the first one to report a story. Journalism has been replaced by speculation and has begun to be reported as factinstead of speculation. If a broadcaster is wrong about it the story dies off and the correct on the fly, if they are correct they are continually telling you that they were the first to "report" it. And trust me when I say ALL news agencies, I am not that naieve.

Quick question though, As a Democrat you told me about facts, any chance you could tell me about tax law now?:)

Jar

O.K. Now that is more like it. Knowing Marines you should aslo know we can be a bit "stubborn" and "beliggerant". With 32 years in the Army simple should be easy for you.

Low Blow. I'll get even, either with you or some other Marine.

Ok you asked about the tax law. Which one of the hundreds are you referring to?

I'm one of those that believe in a flat tax.

The most ideal one of course is one where republicans/conservative/rwrnutcases pay 90% and the rest of us pay 10% and that a one time payment is required of Bush and Cheney of 100% of their worth.

jay -

I thought with you being a Democrat you might know about taxes. I am trying to get out of paying mine this year and needed some help.

I will however agree with you about the flat tax. We all pay the same; 5% of $500,000 or $500,000,000 (I believe those are interchangeable according to Pelosi) It will never get passed though because it will cause Democrats to lose the tool of class warfare by making statements like:

The most ideal one of course is one where republicans/conservative/rwrnutcases pay 90% and the rest of us pay 10% and that a one time payment is required of Bush and Cheney of 100% of their worth.

Jar

Unlike republicans I have to pay my taxes. I don't have loopholes and write offs and send money offshore after it's been laundered.

At least Dems hid it in plain sight like in a freezer.

Jay -

Now whose fault is that? Best get a better job, a better accountant, or just sit and blame the right (again)? But on the bright side Obama is increasing tax revenues.

Everyone he appoints seems to have to pay some back taxes. There you go, tax reveue increased. He appoints a few more and we will be able to cover the stimulus package.

Hell I've got the best job in the world. The Army #1, Marines #10 :). BTW, just until next Friday.

No I pay my taxes proudly. Unlike the repubs.

You are trying to hold tight to the Republicans that we do not pay our taxes arent you. You have beenpaying attention to Obama's nomination havent you?

And congrats on the retirement, after 32 years you deserve a break. Being in the Army will wear a person out. Constantly explaining why you could not get into the Marines.

Constantly explaining why you could not get into the Marines.

Scored too high on aptitude tests.

Oh Gezz Jar I'm really going to have to lay one on you, at some point of my own choosing. You know, the Army plans, the Marines blunder.

Warmonger

Your LOL is directed where!

Jay,

You were close with your comment, the Marines do have the Army in one of our saying also.

"There is not a picee of real estate that the Marines cant take that the Army cant lose."

See we give you high praise also.

Yeah, and the Navy Seals say "By the time the Marines get there, we've been and gone." ;-)

I love all the guys who toil in combat, risking life and limb so that we can have what we have.

Gov. Palin for President !!

Watch.

Greg,

Already she has my vote as long as she does not associate with Rush or Coulter and continues her political path.

Agree totally;

Her Political agenda (watch out for those liberal views) are definitely conservative, the real definition, and what we need in this country.

She is not what we need in this country. She represents everything that is wrong with the rebuplican party.

And her comments about the "real" America offended me, (myself being an urban liberal...)

bar

You get "offended" very easy.

maybe so...but that lady rubs me the wrong way...

Maybe you could have Janeane Garafolo stand up for the Liberal Party.

Gov. Palin is a true conservative.

Please point me in the direction that tells me she does not represent a conservative thinker.

maybe so...but that lady rubs me the wrong way...

So what. Obama rubs me the wrong way. Guess were equal then.

LOL !!!

Obama blowing 150 million dollars on his inauguration like a King doesn't sound conservative to me either giving the current state of economy / country.

Now Joe;

Your not being very nice. Sounds like a Rush comment, don't you think?

I didn't know those clothes were such a big political voting issue?

Wonder what Alaska is going to think about you calling them Hillbillies?

Not nice at all. Where's your tolerance.

Inauguration costs, wonder what or who that money would have helped.

She's still Hot !!!

Repeating a bad comment, to make a point, makes you just as guilty.

And I know we all would trust a comment from someone who knifed someone in the back.

joe r.

Sounds like you've been studying the joe biden hand book for plagerism. You just admitted that you "used" (the word used really isn't what I wanted to use) the colorful phrase from another. If joe finds out he will give you an "F" for your weak moment.

Almost all of this money came from private donations

And Palin's clothes were paid for privately as well. The RNC is not a taxpayer funded entity. Do you know how I know Rush is helping the conservative movement? Because you all make a big deal about it.

The Republican Party needs a makeover that is less critical and moderate instead of cold,

The republicans need to get back to conservative principals. Bush was not a conservative, I am surprised you didn't like his liberal spending policies.

It is allowed to question the President of the United States, that didn't change after Obama took office. I hope you all keep complaining about Rush, as you are giving power to the conservative movement by putting it in the forefront. Thank you!

And her comments about the "real" America offended me

And how did you feel when Obama said republicans cling to their guns and religion?

And how did you feel when Obama said republicans cling to their guns and religion?

I felt that he nailed it. He could have also said that they cling to their pseudo-morality, failed econmic fantasies, and social bigotry, but I'm glad he kept it short and sweet.

Mars, you beat me to it!!!!!!

well said.

Sorry, it was far too easy!

Mars,

You are obviously too intelligent for the rest of society. Ah, they hypocracy runs deep.

myself being an urban liberal

Good for you... I am not going to say it...

Joe,

Please, provide a picture of Sarah Palin shopping at Neiman Marcus in or out. The Press followed her to all the places. Therefore, when those pictures were taken?

Thanks.

I felt that he nailed it. He could have also said that they cling to their pseudo-morality, failed econmic fantasies, and social bigotry, but I'm glad he kept it short and sweet.

No he kept it short and stupid.

I am glad that Rush is on the neocons side. I think most of you neocons love having him on your side so there is not much to argue about. He's yours and you couldn't give him away.

Yet your so into obsessing about Rush. Be honest.. your probably a fan, but can't admit it.

I was being sarcastic. >:)

Almost all of this money came from private donations.

And that justifies pissing it away on extravagances? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

I think we should keep someone like Rush Limbaugh in proper perspective. Mr. Limbaugh made 33 million dollars in 2007:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

Rush Limbaugh has never personally won his own public election and probably his biggest political action was being a "national precinct captain" for the Republican Party's Congressional victories in 1994 during the Clinton years.

Therefore, one could argue that Rush Limbaugh is nothing more than a political tool to be used by real politicians seeking to win public office.

Until Mr. Limbaugh actually wins his own election, holds a publicly elected seat and enacts law for a constituency, he is nothing more than just another blogger [like the rest of us], but, with a much louder voice!

All glory and no guts...

Let's keep him all right. Lets stuff him and put him in the Smithsonian.

yeah yeah and he's muslim and secretly working for Al queda. I heard hes not even human, a bunch of mice made him to rule the world, that's why he "hides" his birth certificate (from anyone that doesn't have $5.00 to do a Hawaiian Island public record search)

The true test of any one man's [or woman's] politics is the highest public office he [or she] is elected to by the people during active political life.

Mr. Limbaugh having not ever been elected to any public office leads me to believe he is either incapable of winning on his own merits or too selfish to take a public servants salary! Considering his salary in 2007 was 33 million dollars, it is easy too understand why he supports the conservative values of the trickle-down ideology of economics. While Mr. Limbaugh does donate monies to worthy charities, one could also argue that is just cover/spin or for tax write-offs and too hide other loopholes. See the facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

As a mere armchair quarterback in politics, Mr. Limbaugh is nothing more than pure entertainment. Otherwise, let us see him put his solutions and policies in action by winning representation of more than his own interest with an electoral victory. Then, and only then will his words actually mean something to someone other than a audience. Personally, I am neither impressed nor entertained by the man; of course I am probably considered too be whining about this mental recession since the fundamentals of our economy are strong!

see above

You can't use the word us because that means your a republican and I'm calling you out on that statement. You are just another republican hater in democrat skin.

No, by "us" I meant Americans. I'm sure that you often group Americans into one of two camps, and forget that we are all Americans, but I can't blame you, you just need things made easier and color-coded in order to make it through life.

I most certainly hate the Republican party, but only slightly more than I hate the Democrats. I am, by no means, a Democrat, so I hate to ruin your pathetic and simple little stereotype.The Republican party is a joke, and it's supporters are so socially bankrupt that I am, quite frankly, ashamed to call them Americans.

Let me break it to you, and don't take this too hard, I know your life is rough right now, as a GOP apologists and all, but it's not just Democrats that hate your precious party, most of America does. That's why your party lost so pathetically that it was funny.

It's ok, soon we'll stop laughing at you, and forget all about you and your useless party.

Mars

Are you sorry because Rush is hurting the Republicans?

The truth and only the truth, please.

Mars

I love your passion but you missed your stereotyping as well but you were right about GOP apologist. I am sorry I believed in another president 100%. I didn't vote for either front runner this year because neither earned my vote. I do lean toward conservative values thus lean toward the republican party. I vote all over the map and believe the only way is to vote split ticket, honesty and integrity are key and I do my homework. The GOP better not go away because America as we know it will go too. Maybe 2012 is the magic number and it will be done, on earth as it is in heaven! LOL. OPPPs God reference sorry about that its my republican hanging out.

Are you sorry because Rush is hurting the Republicans?

No, not at all. Rush isn't doing half the damage to the GOP that the GOP is. The Republic party is a perversion of what it used to be, a totally different party. Rush and his kind are only exposing that to the public even more so than Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber did. The GOP is ruining itself, and I don't think it's current base is able to see that, for some sad reason.

This is not the party of Goldwater, it is the party that crushed Goldwater. If they want to put an entertainer at the front of their party to get some attention, they deserve the damage he does to their already pathetic image.

Personally, I think it's a shame that only the GOP fights for fiscal conservatism, because they only do it through lip-service. fiscal conservatism has been killed by this BS "social conservatism" (totalitarianism) that the GOP adopted to gain the votes of poor, religious people. The party that used to fight for Small Government, is now the party who wants to tell you who you can marry, who you can have consentual sex with and still be accept as a full citizen in your own country, what religions you must accept as truth, what medical proceedures you can use, what you can teach your children, etc etc. These people, and some of you GOP cultists here on Newsvine wouldn't know conservatism if it bit you in the ass.

The GOP better not go away because America as we know it will go too.

The GOP went away years ago. The GOP was dead when I was born. It's not the same party anymore, it sold out to corporate greed and a desire for a massive government. They are no longer the party of Small Government and the rights for states to make their own laws. They are no longer the party of fiscal conservatism, by ANY stretch of the imagination. Your idea is based on political mythology and holds no water. I think this country will be around MUCH longer than pseudo-patriotism and theatrical religious fanaticism.

Mr. Mars.

If the Dems are doing so well, why the President Obama is getting angrier by the day and.....showing it?

I remember the crying about the Federal Budget when GWB was President and now the $1T additional suggested expenditure by the actual Congress and President is like the cost of a bag of pop corn and soft drink

I agree with Mars

The G.O.P. of old went away when it was hijacked by the evangical wackos...

If the Dems are doing so well, why the President Obama is getting angrier by the day and.....showing it?

The two are not connected. the Dems are doing well because they obliterated the gOP in '06 and '08. Obama is angry because he is leading a party of morons.

I remember the crying about the Federal Budget when GWB was President and now the $1T additional suggested expenditure by the actual Congress and President is like the cost of a bag of pop corn and soft drink

And I remember GOPers, like yourself, not giving a damn about the federal Budget under GWB, and now you all pretend to care, and that's a sad joke. It shows how the GOP and the GOPers only care about elections, not the country, which is why the theatrical pseudo-patriotism that your party uses as a platform is so pathetic.

I, personally, and not only mad about this "bail-out" but I am also mad about the "bail-out" that GWB and John McCain were drooling to pass, as well as the tax cuts to the richest 2% of the country, who need no damn tax break.